Interview with Bryan Kesler, CPA of, Why Finding A Mentor Will Help You Pass The CPA Exam Faster - Episode 002

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You’re listening to CPA Review & More with your hosts, Phil Yaeger and Mansour Farhat. In this episode they interview Bryan Kesler or CPA Exam Guide where he gives a little background on his path to becoming a CPA and what he’s discovered to be helpful in passing the CPA Exam.
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Narrator [00:00:01] You're listening to CPA Review and more with your hosts, Phil Yaeger and Mansour Farhat in this episode, they interview Bryan Kesler of CPA Exam Guide, where he goes a little into his background and his path of becoming a CPA and what he discovered to be helpful in passing the CPA exam. Check out Bryan's website to take advantage of his five percent off promo code at

Phil Yaeger [00:00:53] Hi, everyone, this is Phil Yaeger, and welcome to another episode of CPA Review and More. I am here with my co-host Mansour Farhat, who is actually has a terrific YouTube channel videos. If you're having trouble with certain subjects, you can go to them and we'll talk a little more about that later. But anyway, welcome, Mansour. How are you today?

Mansour Farhat [00:01:17] Thank you, Phil.. How are you doing today?

Phil Yaeger [00:01:20] Great, great, great. And we are here with our guests, Bryan Kesler, who has a site on the Internet, which is And Bryan is going to talk about the bundle that he has introduced, which includes the Yagur CPA review course today. And we'll give actually some of the people who are actually go to certain websites like Mansour's websites who can get a discount if they go through that. And we'll explain to you how to get that in the second. But anyway, Bryan, welcome to our podcast today. How are you?

Bryan Kesler [00:01:56] Great. Thanks for having me, guys.

Phil Yaeger [00:01:58] And Bryan has a very unique story about he is a CPA. All right. He took the CPA exam and but he has a story about failing the CPA exam. All right. Well, tell him how basically you got into this CPA exam, myCPAexammentor. All right. How did you get into that? All right. Where did it start? Go ahead, Bryan.

Bryan Kesler [00:02:22] So, yeah, thanks as thanks for having me on the show. I'm really excited to share my story with future CPAs and accountants. And so my story, you know, it started out pretty typical. I graduated from college, had a job lined up and just assume that the CPA exam was going to be just another check on my to do list. And unfortunately, it was the complete opposite. I just wasn't mentally prepared for the exam. And it just I ended up signing up for all four sections and then I failed all of them in a row. And it was really because I just wasn't aware of how difficult the CPA exam was going to be. And I was very overconfident and I just didn't have the right tools at my disposal. And so to make matters worse, I actually started working in public accounting in 2008, so a month before the Great Recession started. And so I was trying to work plus study, and then I ended up losing my first job. So my firm cut 20 percent of the total firm after a busy season. So basically I was left with multiple failures of the CPA exam and I had lost my job. So I was at a crossroads. So do I give up on the CPA exam, give up on being an accountant, or do I power through it and figure this thing out? And so while I was unemployed, I actually met my wife. And I always joke with her that because the first question she asked on my first date was what exactly do I do? And I had to admit that I was unemployed. So obviously she was a bit of a gold digger there, but she hates that joke. But anyway, so, you know, when I met her and then, you know, my life kind of got into focus. So I used my time unemployed to really figure out what I was doing wrong. I found mentors to help coach me and help me determine what I was doing wrong. And I ended up passing two sections, the CPA exam, within two months. And then I also got another position working as a property accountant. So basically, you know, that was the next phase of my life. And then I had to figure out how to stay for the CPA exam while working full time. And I ended up failing a section again while working full time. So again, I had to go through this entire learning process of figuring out how to study and pass the CPA exam. And long story short, I ended up passing and then I moved from just a basic property accountant up to working for PWC. And what's cool is that, you know, the only reason I got that position was because I had passed the CPA exam. And so I was at PWC for about two years. So working my butt off, working 50 to 80 hours a week. And then I decided to jump ship and go back into private industry. And what was really cool was that within two years of passing the CPA exam, I actually increased my annual salary by twenty five thousand dollars. So, you know, going through the entire CPA exam process, it one, it was probably one of the most miserable experiences of my life, but it taught me so much about myself. And it's also a dividend that is paying itself off and it's going to continue to pay me for the rest of my career. So, you know, if you're on the fence about taking the CPA exam, that's something that you need to keep in mind, is that and, you know, I'm sure Phil and Mansour can attest to this, that passing the CPA exam, it's an investment in yourself. It's not an upfront expense. It's something that's going to stick with you for the rest of your career. And, you know, I don't know if you guys have any input on, you know, the value of the CPA exam. I don't know how it's affected your careers, but I have to imagine that it's it's made a big impact for you guys.

Mansour Farhat [00:06:09] Of course. Of course. I agree with everything you said. Bryan, a quick question for you. If you look back? If you look back, what do you think you did wrong or did not do right the first time you studied? Now you know knowing what you know now, what would you have done differently?

Bryan Kesler [00:06:24] Sure. So and this is basically this is what I do. So I'm a technically a CPA exam mentor. So what I didn't do right was basically I didn't understand what's called your study personality. That's which is a term that I kind of coined or your learning style. So I was treating the CPA exam like it was a college exam. And so I also was I did I my ego got in the way. So, you know, I had aced college and I, I was surrounded by CPAs, but I was too afraid to tell them that I was failing because one I was in competition with my peers, I didn't want my managers to know. And so I didn't seek the help that I needed when I was struggling. And another huge, huge rookie mistake I made was signing up for all four sections at the same time. So when you're taking the CPA exam, you want to be flexible because at the end of the day, the pass rates are, you know, they're pretty abysmal. So the chances of you failing one or two sections is extremely high. And when I locked myself into sitting for all four sections, basically I had to wait an entire year before I could even retake the exams that I had failed. So basically I put when I should have just scratched the extra sections that I'd already paid for and just start over from the beginning. But I didn't do that. And basically I lost about a year of my life and a thousand dollars in CPA exam fees. So those are the biggest things. And, you know, I was really lucky because I did have mentors in my life. So my dad, he was actually Elijah Watts sales winner so, you know, becoming a CPA kind of runs in the family. So I did have people outside of my network that I could kind of rely on. So that that was a huge advantage that I had. And they really pushed me to keep to keep going. And so so basically what I learned from my failure is that there isn't a good resource for CPA candidates who are struggling because, you know, you don't want to waste the time of your peers asking them a million questions. Plus, you don't necessarily want them to know that you're struggling. So my goal is to be the go to resource for you if you're struggling with the CPA exam or if you want to learn from somebody so that you don't have to recreate the wheel and figure out how to pass the CPA exam on your own. So that that's those are the big things that really stuck out to me when I was struggling with the CPA exam and really how I overcame it. And it was it was more, a lot more mentality that because I knew how to study, I knew how to learn. But it was a lot of the mental and time management and just the motivation to keep going.

Phil Yaeger [00:09:07] Why did you want to become a CPA? I sort of miss that. Did you want to stay in accounting? What else did you want to do? Did you have any thoughts about that?

Bryan Kesler [00:09:15] So I mean, I became an auditor, so that was my primary goal. So when the recession happened, jobs were very slim. So I didn't necessarily want to be just posting journal entries all day. I wanted to become an auditor, you know, eventually maybe move into the private industry at a controller level or something like that. That was kind of in my to do list. I didn't think I wanted to become a partner, but that was always on the table as well. So it just really whatever opportunities arose and I knew that without the CPA, I it would take me years and years to get to where I want it, if at all. So that was a big, big I think-.

Phil Yaeger [00:09:56] Ultimately you did with the CPA, instead of staying in public accounting industry, you decided to start a mentorship program, is that correct?

Bryan Kesler [00:10:07] Yeah. So basically I got bored with the private industry, so I went from PWC into the private industry. I worked for Citigroup as a financial analyst or assistant manager or something along those lines. And so I went from working 50 to 80 hours a week down to about 40 to forty five. So I had a lot of time on my hands to kind of fill. So that's when I started a blog and a podcast based on the old CPA notes that I had taken and a bit of a journal that I had kept, just about how I was feeling about failure and so forth. And then what happened was that I started making connections with CPA kids all around the world. And really, what would I found that I truly enjoy doing is helping folks who had failed the CPA exam. Just like me, so I really loved seeing the light bulb click like it did for me when I was struggling with the CPA exam and, you know, I was lucky enough to have folks in my life who understood what I was going through. But the majority CPA candidates, they don't have that luxury. So I wanted to return the favor to the industry and provide that sort of resource for people all around the world who are struggling to be a candidates or for people who are just starting out and really wanting to avoid failing. And so what I determined after I had this blog, I was pretty successful and stuff is that I should create some sort of mentorship program. So what I came up with was it's called the ultimate CPA Exam Guide method, or UCEG method for short. And it it's really more of an info graphic of what it takes to pass a CPA exam. So if you want to see a lot more about it, I have a free master class for that I put together for the listeners here. So if you head to, it might help you follow along with what I'm about to start discussing, discussing. But basically the idea behind the UCEG method is that there are three Nutshells to passing the CPA exam and they are the time that it's going to take your CPA study materials and then also the mentors in your life. So basically, I kind of want to run through OK Phil and Mansour I want to run through each of these Nutshells and then we can kind of discuss your take on each of them and then maybe give some tips to the audience about ways that they can maximize them. So so what I found after working with thousands of CPA candidates around the world, that with time and passing the CPA exam, it really involves four factors. So the first factor is what sacrifices are you willing to make? What quantifiable goals are you willing to set for yourself? What distractions can you eliminate? And then how are you going to get the people in your life that are important to you involved in this process so that they can help maximize your time so that they don't think that you're that you're cheating on them or with the CPA exam and so forth like it? It's hard for non accountants to understand why you're spending so much time away from them. So I don't know if I can break down all four of these in a row or if you guys want to chime in on your recommendations. I don't know what the best way to do this would be, but I'll just start with what sacrifices mean. So for my students and ultimate CPA exam guide, I have them complete what's called a life audit. So they make down a list of all the activities that they do typically every week. And then what happens is they'll prioritize them as more important than the CPA exam and less important. And then anything that's less important, they either cut it out completely or then they can use it as motivation to get studying done. So basically you set some sort of quantifiable goal and then once you hit that goal, then you can do whatever that guilty pleasure is. So there's golf, you go into a baseball game, whatever that might be. And then so with goals, you want your goals to be quantifiable. So what I recommend to my mentees is that instead of saying, oh, on Saturday, I'm going to study for four hours on, you need to set a quantifiable goal. So it's more like, oh, I'm going to complete one hundred CPA exam questions. I'm going to read through two chapters of the textbook and get through two lectures or something that's quantifiable so that when you complete it, you can know that it's done. So when you when you don't do that, what happens is that you just kind of flounder around and you don't really know what you're supposed to be doing in that four hours and you never know if you're actually done. So that's a big, big mindset shift that has helped a lot of my students in terms of distractions. A lot of it involves, obviously, cell phone, social media that will break your your focus while you're studying. So those are things, just individual things that really start to add up over time. Because, again, when you're studying for the CPA exam and Phil, I'm sure you can agree with this, that, you know, you really should only give yourself about eight to 12 weeks to study per section. So every single minute counts when you're studying. So. So, yeah. So eliminating as many distractions as possible is key. And then in terms of relationships, this this was huge. And I actually interviewed my wife because we were dating while I was staying for the CPA exam about this. But if you have a non accounting significant other friends and family and so forth, it's really crucial that they understand, you know, what you're going through as a CPA candidate and something that I strongly urge that you set up a study calendar, so, again, when you're setting quantifiable goals, you want to share this calendar with the people in your life. So say you you know, on Saturday you have to complete those 100 questions two chapters and two lectures. Well, you cannot go hang out with those people or do something fun, something related to the people in your life until you complete those. And then they need to make sure to ask you whether you completed that goal before you go hang out or do whatever your guilty pleasure is. So those those are the big four factors that I've determined and really has made a huge impact in the lives of my mentees and so forth. So, you know, Phil you deal with CPA candidates on a day to day basis. Do you have anything to add to that that you recommend or am I on the right path here?

Phil Yaeger [00:16:45] Well, I generally say to them, when you are studying, it's not unless I tell them that it's not the quantity of hours they put in. Right. It's basically the quality of time, the quality of what they get out of those two or three hours of studying. That's more important. A lot of people think, well, I'm going to do four hours today and once they do the four hours, they're fine. They've done their task. But really, the key thing is you've got to ask yourself, well, I spent four hours, all right. If I go back and look at the tasks, which are the blueprints, can I answer these tasks? Can I address these tasks without looking up the information in a book or something? So that's what my emphasis is on. What about you? Mansour what do you tell them?

Mansour Farhat [00:17:31] I emphasize quality doesn't matter if you're putting half an hour or forty five minutes, just take the blueprint and whatever time that's going to take, make sure you understand that inside out you could explain it to someone. My measure of success in terms of knowledge. Can you explain it if somebody ask you an hour later, can you explain this concept for me from A to Z if you can explain it to someone then you did studied well, whether it's a half an hour or if it takes you three to four hours. So it's the quality that you're going to get out of your time. That's what I tell them to emphasize. Make sure you understand it. You can explain it to someone else. If you can explain it, then you really learned it.

Bryan Kesler [00:18:08] Absolutely. Yeah, that's great.

Phil Yaeger [00:18:10] But also, this is not this is not a race as far as you know, I got to do it in three months or I got to do it in two months. Yeah, this is a very fine line here. You don't want the students to study too much because a lot of times they'll get burned out if they study too much. But then if they don't study enough, they'll go in there and they won't pass. So they have to find that, you know, that road the middle road where they study enough. They know the material, yet they haven't studied too much and getting burnt out. That's the key thing. You have to keep your you know, you have to have an incentive to want to actually get the CPA like. Did you have an incentive, Bryan, why you wanted to get the CPA? I mean, was it to start this mentorship program? What exactly was your incentive?

Bryan Kesler [00:19:00] No, this this was something that just kind of happened organically. So really, my incentive was I just it I want it to be the best that I could be. So, you know, I got my master's and I was like, OK, well, this is just the next step. And, you know, when I didn't pass on my first try, I really started questioning my whole, you know, everything about what I was doing. But I'm a very perseverate person, so when I start a task, I always try to finish it. So it was more of like an ego thing. I think that, you know, I finally found something that I couldn't easily complete. So I was going to do it no matter what it took. So that that was kind of my motivation. I think I did. And I knew that also after losing my first job, that, you know, no one's going to look out for my best interests. I have to do that. And so the two people who got let go in my start class were the two people who hadn't passed the CPA exam. So I was getting good marks at my firm. But because I didn't have my CPA, I just made myself an easy target. So that that that basically was the motivation is like, OK, well, if I want to provide for a family, then I need to become a CPA so that this never happens again.

Phil Yaeger [00:20:19] Yeah, I think my motivation was well, I was head of the accounting program at a community college, so my motivation was, gee, if I'm heading accounting, I better have a CPA. The MBA alone was enough. So that was really sort of I saw the writing on the wall now or if I didn't see the writing on the wall, then probably as when I got out of college, I had no intention of becoming a CPA. In fact, when I got out of college, I got an MBA, but I really didn't know where I was going with this thing. But what it did do is after I did get the CPA, all right, then it opened doors that I never anticipated when I took the exam, like starting the CPA review course. So I recommend to people, hey, all right, get the CPA. You have nothing to lose. If anything, it'll give you more flexibility. More doors will open to you. But you don't know what those doors are as you're going through life. OK, Mansour, what is your motivation?

Mansour Farhat [00:21:21] I agree on every single thing you said as well. You don't have to have a specific motivation. As you said, it's going to open. It's going to give you a key that you're going to try on so many doors and it's going to give you so many options. And options are good in life. For example, the option that the CPA gave me, I want it to be I want it to be a part that I wanted to start my own CPA firm. That was my initial motivation. I wanted to be self-employed. But what end up happening after a few years in the industry? It opened the doors for me to teach. And I find that I enjoy teach and I like teaching. And it gave me that opportunity to move from one industry into the other. So you don't have to really know what you want. That's what I tell to the listeners. If you're listening right now, just get your CPA. You will figure things out on your own later. You can't go on to taxes, audit, consultancy, all sorts of assurance services. You can go into higher education. So don't worry about I don't I really don't know what to I really don't know what I want to do with the CPA. You don't have to know this for now. Just so you're going to have a good key that's going to open many doors for you and give you a lot of options. And life and options are good.

Bryan Kesler [00:22:29] Yeah, absolutely. I've had friends go into the FBI. They've worked in government, gone into teaching like it's really if you want to stick with accounting for the rest of your life, then, you know, then you don't necessarily need the CPA. But if you want to have flexibility to go into any industry because the CPA is recognized almost everywhere it is. So it's it's definitely very valuable to have.

Mansour Farhat [00:22:52] And it's a prestigious certification, just like being a doctor or lawyer. So that was also my motivation. I really want to be someone socially in life. And what's the thing that I enjoy doing, which is I was good at it, so that's why I pursued it. But I really did not have any particular or specific motivation. And keep that in mind, listeners, you don't have to really know what you want to do, but you will find that out, you know, maybe three, five, seven years down the road and you will be grateful that you made that investment in your life.

Phil Yaeger [00:23:21] If we can get back, let's say I buy this bundle you're selling now, by the way. And I must you know, I must state that we are involved in the bundle. We have actually partnered up, partnered up with Bryan on his ultimate CPA. What do you call it Bryan?

Bryan Kesler [00:23:44] Yeah, the ultimate CPA exam guide.

Phil Yaeger [00:23:46] All right. And if I buy the program, OK, I buy the program. Tell me exactly why I'm coming to you. I'm failing the exam. I can't seem to get organized. I'm discouraged. What exactly are you going to do for me as a candidate?

Bryan Kesler [00:24:02] Yeah, yeah, yeah. So so like I said, there's basically the I'm teaching in the program the three Nutshells to passing the CPA exam. So the first step, of course, is to get your mentality up, you know, having a reason to become a CPA. That's a core principle that's taught within my online course, also around time, but also how to actually use Yaeger CPA Review course. So that that basically is the second nutshell, of course, to pass on the CPA exam or resource that you're going to have. And so what I love about Yaeger CPA review, is that really the first factor to consider when investing in a CPA review course is that you want your study personality to match up with how the information is presented in the CPA review course. And so what I love about Phil and his course is how they have they focus on the different types of learning styles that you might have and so forth, so built into the course. So if you're more of a self studier, they have a path that you can take or if you're more of a visual learner, then they have their core set up that way as well. So and what I mean by study personality is and maybe I can just use myself as an example. So I'm somebody who prefers to self study. So video lectures are nice, but my attention span is so short that basically I zone out after about two minutes of watching a lecture. And then I found while I was studying for the CPA exam that I wasn't maximizing my time because I wasn't the the information wasn't sticking when I was watching a video. So what worked for me was going to the textbook first. You know, back when I was taking it wasn't the blueprints, but I would go through the textbook, try and teach myself the material as best as I could and answer some questions and just to make sure that what I read was sticking and. If something wasn't working, then I would go back to the video lecture and maybe there was something in the video lecture that would help make it click. And then I'd also add, the second factor of using your creative course is, like Mansour said, is to cut busy work so that you can have quality study time. So for me, watching a video lecture from all the way through, that wasn't a quality study time. So this is one of the the the core principles that I teach is that you need to figure out how you study best. And what worked best in college is not necessarily going to work best for the CPA exam as well, because you have such a tight time frame for you to complete all of the materials. So the third factor here is that you actually need to understand what you're learning. And as AICPA says, you have to understand the blueprints. And that is the absolute key to pass the exam. And again, that's what Phil and his team have done and why I've partnered with Yaeger CPA review because their complete focus is teaching you from the blueprints and doing everything they can to prepare you for the CPA exam. Now, something that I did when I was studying, I didn't necessarily understand was that you also have to be constantly reviewing. So that's the fourth factor of using the CPA review course. So for me, when I first started studying, I was studying, studying like I did in college, which was basically cramming. And I wasn't I was learning to pass a test, which meant I was focusing on memorization, which again, does not work with the CPA exam. So what I found and this is was especially true when I was working full time and studying, was that when you go in a linear fashion study and so you start with chapter one and go all the way to the end, by the time you get to the end of the course and you haven't looked back and reviewed anything, then you've forgotten everything from the beginning. And then you spend the final two weeks before your exam scrambling to relearn everything. And it just becomes this massive anxiety and panic attack. And I think that that is one of the biggest problems that I see with CPA today is that they're not constantly learning, but also constantly reviewing what they've learned. And so you do want to be able to spend some time studying with your course and then an hour later be able to go back and say, OK, I can answer that particular blueprint or a question or whatever it might be. So those are really the four big factors, as you understand how you learn best, find the course that will maximize that. And then you cut out the busywork and then you focus on understanding everything that you try to learn. That needs to be your primary goal when you're studying and then then remembering to review. And so within Ultimate CPA exam guide, I have a checklist created that will help you implement this exact method and study workflows. So basically I work with Yaeger CPA Review and so forth. So I have basically a study workflow that I recommend. And based on your study personality, here's how I recommend you use Yagur and so forth. So that is that's basically nutshell number two. And so obviously, if you own a CPA review course, so do you have anything that you recommend to your students who can call you up whenever they need questions answered and so forth?

Phil Yaeger [00:29:15] Yeah, of course. Your mentoring is how do you do that? Emails or you one on one with the student. What is the approach with your mentoring?

Bryan Kesler [00:29:23] Yeah, so we offer email support and then we also have an exclusive Facebook study group. So basically I'm in there every day answering questions. Students can post screenshots of things they can share if they passed or failed and then will the group will provide recommendations along with myself. And I'm actually onboarding another CPA as we speak. So there's going to be a team of CPAs eventually in there and the group as well who will be able to answer your questions and so forth. So and this is so much more than just customer support. It's really, you know, we're the people that you can go to and ask questions that you're too afraid to ask your peers who are busy with other jobs or you're too embarrassed to ask these questions. So that's really what we're there for, to answer those questions that that, you know, you can't ask and also might be too embarrassed to ask. And, you know, I'm the perfect person to talk to you because I've been there. I've failed the CPA exam. I understand what you're going through. And and hopefully I'm able to give you the right advice at the right moment to keep you going and motivated.

Phil Yaeger [00:30:32] And if you feel you want someone else to give you advice, you have myself or Mansour Mansour's his YouTube site. And I'd like to talk about this. Your YouTube site is really good for students who maybe didn't get the best. Matter of education, the best teaching and trying to be diplomatic about this from their college courses, Mansour has a tremendous library of videotapes and videotapes, but video and on the web and before and before us. All right. But their videos on every subject, I mean, so if you were weak on managerial, you know, very important thing that what is intermediately he's got a phenomenal video library. And by the way, what's even nicer is he does not charge for these things because Mansour, really we actually I can say this for Mansour and myself. We actually when we look at a student, we don't look a student or talk to him and think of one thing, dollar signs. All right. If someone comes to me and says, oh, I've been using this course and I just having this problem, I will tell them many respects. You know, you don't have to go buy a whole new course. OK, maybe you just need to buy a cram course or I then send them to Mansour's YouTube site with all those videos and say, you know, you seem to have a poor understanding on Consolidation's. Mansour has a video. Go watch it. I mean, he's an excellent teacher. I really do believe that. He's an excellent teacher. All right. I'm very fortunate to have met him. All right. Because we are very similar, I think, philosophies in this business that we're not just in it for your money and only the money. All right. We really do want people to pass. Is that correct?

Mansour Farhat [00:32:28] I mean, we want the money, but really we care about our students.

Phil Yaeger [00:32:31] Yes. Oh, yeah. And we're going to send us a contribution, no just kidding.

Mansour Farhat [00:32:36] I mean, students always send me a contribution. I do have a contribution button on my YouTube. Definitely. Yes. So they do send contribution. But I'd like to emphasize what Bryan was saying about learning how to learn. And this is what I tell my college students. You have to know how to learn. And many college students and I believe, Bryan, that was one of I'm making this judgment, the you can call me on it, but I believe he did not really learn how to learn in college. Yes. Because in college, the teacher kind of guide you through the exam. But if you don't know how to learn, I mean, some students, they can read the book and that's all what they need and they would learn the concept. I know for a matter of fact, for example, my wife, she can read something and that's all what she needs. And that's the most efficient learning style. But I'm not like this. I would like to listen to someone explaining something that's that's the most efficient learning style for me. Certain students, they like to write things out, just write their own notes. So you have to find out what works for you and what really what I hate the most. Frankly, when a student's e-mail me and they say, I read the chapter five times and I still don't get it, well, what does that mean? Just because you read the chapter, you're going to learn the material? Is that all what you need if that's the case? Oh, what I have to do is maybe read some medical books and I'll become a doctor. That's not how it works. You have to figure out what works for you. How do you learn? And it takes it may take some time. You may learn only by reading. Maybe you might learn by listening to someone explaining it. Maybe you have to write your own notes. I know some people learn as soon as they highlight something, some people draw maps. So you have to find out. I agree with you, Bryan. Exactly. You have to learn your own. You have to learn how to learn. And the other thing I would like to add on, Bryan, is how to review. I have a tip for students here I would like to share with everyone. You went through Chapter one, chapter two, chapter three or one, two, three, so on and so forth. What you should do as you are going through this module, and this is what I did while I was studying for my exam. But I you know, I used to have old technology used to literally record on a tape all the main points and the notes that I learned from that module. Then listen to it as I'm driving in my car. And I used to have a Walkman back then. Listen to what as I'm walking. Jogging. So to review now you have your cell phone, you know, you study for two hours, take fifteen minutes to summarize your notes. Recorded them on the phone. OK, for those ten minutes. And when you find if you're sitting tired right before you go to sleep walking, standing in the line at the post office, whatever you are doing, listen to those notes. And for every two hours you're going to accumulate ten to fifteen minutes of notes. And over time you're going to have all these notes on your phone that you can access them real quick when you have time. When you want to remember a review, do a quick review yourself.

Bryan Kesler [00:35:19] Yeah, that's great advice. And I actually have a study personality quiz that I created that will help you determine your learning style and how it will affect how you should be, because Dotcom will actually take you to the quiz. And I've put together a series of videos that will help you determine how you learn best and how that will affect how you stay for the CPA exam. So I love that. I love the idea. That's great.

Phil Yaeger [00:35:48] I just wanted to say that your CPA. You, Mansour, and, you know, we would not have actually, you know, cultivate this relationship with Bryan, I've known him a while. It's not like he just came off the street and said, hey, Phil, about working with me. All right. I met Bryan. I like him. And by the way, before I work with someone, I really have to feel comfortable with them. And I feel comfortable with Bryan and his mentoring program. And of course, I feel very comfortable with Mansour. Very, very nice. And he thinks, you know, I'll say it again, he's a caring person. And with the three of us, you know, with the mentorship program, the ultimate CPA exam guide, and then, you know, yes, we you know, Bryan will recommend us because we do use the blueprints very important. But we're not going to hold a gun to your head to buy Yaeger CPA review. All right. You could do the mentoring program without Yaeger CPA review. But, you know, we feel that the combination of a good CPA review, of course, and I don't want you to think I'm patting myself on the back here. We we feel we have a good CPA because we're getting you know, and I'm very happy to say on Facebook, you know, we're getting very good reviews of people. And that's what I strive for. And I strive for this. I strive for having people call me after they go through, whether it's, you know, the ultimate CPA exam guide and Yaeger CPA review, as well as hearing from people. You know, I spoke to Mansour and he is I appreciate you referred me to him. He's just a real terrific guy and he really cared. That's what I want to hear. I don't want to hear all the time. Hey, Phil, you're the greatest. Phil, you know, I get a lot of good satisfaction of someone saying, you know, I've got that ultimate CPA exam guide that you said was good and it really did work. I went to Mansour's YouTube videos and God, that really helped me. So this is what makes me feel good. So I'll say it again. We've partnered up we partnered up with the ultimate CPA exam guide. And you can get more information on this where, Bryan?

Bryan Kesler [00:38:03] Yeah. So if you head over to, that will take you directly to Yeager's Phil's website. And there's more information about my program. And then for the listeners of this podcast, we actually have a special offer for you. So if you use the coupon code at Check-Out [removed], that's going to take five percent off the the total price of the of the bundle itself. Now, I like to kind of chime in on what Mansour and Phil is saying is that, you know, yeah, I created Ultimate CPA Exam Guide. I hope that you would trust me enough to enroll in the course, but if not, you still need a mentor. And so, you know, to kind of complete my let the ultimate CPA exam guide method is that whether you work with me or anyone else, really, there's four factors to consider when using a mentor. So the first factor is that they need to to motivate you. So it needs to be somebody who has taken the CPA exam, understands how difficult it is and can relate to what you're going through. The second factor would be that you also need somebody who's going to light a fire under your butt. You know, you really can't half ass a CPA exam. It needs to be full. So you know that that's really the key with a mentor is somebody who's going to push you beyond your your limits. And that's exactly what a mentor can provide. And if you're using Yaeger CPA Review, call Phil and he'll definitely keep you motivated and give you intensive-

Phil Yaeger [00:39:36] And also, Mansour, you know, also I mean, God, yeah. You don't have to just call me and call Mansour. Absolutely. He gives you his phone number. So, you know, you have our phone numbers. But anyway, continue on. Bryan, I'm sorry.

Bryan Kesler [00:39:50] No, absolutely. Yeah. And so along those same lines, you need a mentor who understands your learning style as well and can provide you with study methods and improvements for how you're studying so that you don't fall into the situation where you're just sitting there spinning your wheels because honestly, spinning your wheels is your worst enemy. When studying for the CPA exam, a mentor also needs to provide you with community. So, you know, you know, I'd love to be your drinking buddy like that. That's what I call myself within the course. I'm sure your mentor and your drinking buddy during this entire process. So a rookie mistake that I see a lot of CPA candidates making is assuming that those free CPA exam forums that you see everywhere on the Internet are, you know, they try to replace a true mentor with those. And I'm not a fan of the free CPA exam forums because, one, they're full of trolls. So you don't know if the information is real that you're getting. It's also anonymous. So you have no idea who you're talking to. It could be somebody who's really smart or it could be somebody who's misguided and giving you bad advice and.

Phil Yaeger [00:40:57] Or it could even be the person who has the site himself who writes nice, nice things about himself, right?

Bryan Kesler [00:41:05] Yeah. You just don't know. So if you and that's why I provide a Facebook study group, because it's one hundred percent. We vet everyone who joins because obviously they're customers of the program, but also it's it's moderated. I'm in there. I've got other CPAs who will be joining me so that we can keep the experience positive. So there's no negativity because that's that's the number one killer of CPA candidates is negativity. So they go to the CPA exam forums and there's people just complaining all the time. And it drove me crazy. So I just, you know, I swore off all those forums because it was more of a negative experience than a positive one. And the times that I did get help, I had to double check their work and so forth. So you want to be part of a community that has a leader who is getting proven results, who understands what they're talking about and can actually help you. So, you know, so if if you don't enroll in Ultimate CPA exam guide, no harm done. But please, you know, find somebody who can motivate you. Find somebody who can give you intensity to keep going, can teach you how to study and can give you a community as well. And so basically what what happens when you have time? The right CPA, of course, and a mentor is that you're going to have the perfect study plan to follow. You're going to have the perfect grasp of the AICPA blueprints because you have the right study methods and the right study plan and so forth. And you're also going to have the perfect support because you'll have the support from your CPA, of course, plus your mentor. And something fun that I've kind of coined is that when you have the perfect plan, the perfect grasp of the blueprints and the perfect support team, you're going to achieve what's called the atomic effect. So that's the goal that I want every single one of my mentees to have is to achieve the atomic effect, which which basically means that you're going to become this unstoppable force that will pass the CPA exam no matter what. And even if you fail, it's not a big deal. You'll be able to brush it off because you have a plan and a support team to keep you going. So really, that's that's that's the ultimate goal of my mentorship program. And it's to help you maximize your time, your CPA, of course. And you'll also have a community of like minded CPA candidates and a fearless, semi good looking leader like myself to really give you advice.

Phil Yaeger [00:43:20] And is there a picture of you someplace here?

Bryan Kesler [00:43:22] No, I don't I don't allow pictures of myself on the internet.

Phil Yaeger [00:43:25] I just took a new picture, by the way, and I look pretty good, I'd say. Yeah, but anyway, I know you're going to get Bryan great mentoring. All right. You'll get Mansour, who is very knowledgeable. And I'm not going to brag about myself, but I've been in this over forty years. I started when I was five years old. I was a child prodigy in accounting. So, you know, people say, Phil, when you started this business, I was five years old and the first word of my mouth was CPA review, as I said. So anyway, you know, and I'm doing this and I stay in this business for this reason. I want people to understand that there are certain people in this business that really care about one thing making money. There are other people who care about you getting through the CPA exam. And I would say the three of us are the second group we care about you getting through the CPA exam. So that's why I stay in this. All right. Because I still get enjoyment. I still want people to pass this exam. And I want them to realize because of what I realized, of what you have to do to succeed in life. OK, so anyway, I'm going to thank you very much, Bryan Kesler. My pleasure. Once again, your site is If They Want to go too.

Bryan Kesler [00:44:46] Yeah. So if you want to follow me, I'm over at CPA Exam Guide Dotcom, and I did put together that free master class. So if you're interested in learning more about the UCEG method, head over to And then I've got a free master class. There's no opt in or anything like that. It's six videos. Twenty eight hundred words. And it's going to really teach you how to implement the ultimate CPA exam guide method. And then if you're interested in working with me, there is an application button at the bottom of that page. But I do kind of vet who I work with because I really only want motivated CPA candidates who are serious about passing the CPA exam. So yeah, head over to to learn more. And then like Phil and I said, if you're interested in our bundle. So if you're you don't have a CPA, of course, yet or if you're not happy with your current one, head over to and then you can use the coupon code [removed] in all caps and I'll take five percent off of the bundle. So. Yeah. So thank you again for having me on guys, it's ben fun.

Phil Yaeger [00:45:52] Yes and Mansour any parting words today,.

Mansour Farhat [00:45:54] Yeah, just stay motivated and we are here to help. My cell number is four eight four two four three zero two four one. You get the YouTube me accounting lectures or forat lectures and you will find all my lectures on We are here to help stay motivated and good luck.

Phil Yaeger [00:46:14] Well, thank you everyone. And by the way, if you want to call me, go to Go to our website. There's phone numbers all over that. Just dial the numbers and my extension is five and you can get a hold of me. You know, we all of us were basically saying to you, we give you the personal service that you're not going to get from a lot of other people. So thank you, everyone, for participating today. I want to thank our producer, Rob Metford, who is very good. He puts this thing together. Thank you, Rob. And we're going to go out with our theme song from Scott Joplin. All right. So take it away, everyone. Have a good day and a good week.

Bryan Kesler [00:47:15] Hey, my name is Bryan Kesler, a, and I'm delighted to be bundling my mentorship program, Ultimate CPA Exam Guide with the one and only Yaeger CPA Review Course.

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